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Pseudospinolia cfr. uniformis Dahlbom, 1845 - Romania

Postby cosmln » 29 Jul 2011 12:03

Hi,

Me again with another request for an identification ;) .
This is the only time when I have collected a bigger number of specimens (but only this species), 15 specimens collected (all males :( ? ). All where collected on flowers of Lepidium draba.

Collected in south-east of Romania, close to the coast of Black Sea (Romania: Dobrodja: Constanta: near Neptun, Leg. Cosmin O. Manci).

Is possible to have a full name?

A bigger photo here.

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Re: Chrysididae ? - from Romania

Postby Euchroeus » 29 Jul 2011 15:15

:o :shock: :wohow: :wow:

Pseudospinolia uniformis (Dahlbom, 1854).

Ma:

1) la capsula genitale non corrisponde a quella della specie. Per favore controlla che sia ben pulita, poi verifica con la capsula genitale di qualche altro esemplare e prova a rifotografarla meglio :photo:

2) la data di raccolta è curiosa. Probabilmente si tratta di una seconda schiusa, perché è una specie tipicamente primaverile, che si trova tra aprile e maggio, raramente a giugno, la sua schiusa a fine luglio è veramente strana, oppure l'hai raccolta in un altro periodo e hai messo le foto solo oggi?

Puoi confrontare la foto della capsula genitale con il disegno dato da Linsenmaier (1959) si trova sotto il nome Euchroeus (Pseudospinolia) uniformis (fig. 205).

Aspetto una tua analisi!
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Re: Chrysididae ? - from Romania

Postby cosmln » 29 Jul 2011 16:56

Euchroeus wrote::o :shock: :wohow: :wow:

Pseudospinolia uniformis (Dahlbom, 1854).

Ma:

1) la capsula genitale non corrisponde a quella della specie. Per favore controlla che sia ben pulita, poi verifica con la capsula genitale di qualche altro esemplare e prova a rifotografarla meglio :photo:



also to me the one from the paper is completely different.
the genitalia is extremely small, the smallest I have seen until now in the few chrysididae that I have, so is immpossible for me to take better photos in conditions from here.

here is an illustration I have made after one, through the binocular... I have six males extracted (and another 9 in tubes), all six have the same genitalia.



Euchroeus wrote:2) la data di raccolta è curiosa. Probabilmente si tratta di una seconda schiusa, perché è una specie tipicamente primaverile, che si trova tra aprile e maggio, raramente a giugno, la sua schiusa a fine luglio è veramente strana, oppure l'hai raccolta in un altro periodo e hai messo le foto solo oggi?

Puoi confrontare la foto della capsula genitale con il disegno dato da Linsenmaier (1959) si trova sotto il nome Euchroeus (Pseudospinolia) uniformis (fig. 205).

Aspetto una tua analisi!
Ciao
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upps, forget to put the date... is 14.may.2011.
just now I have taken the specimens out from the freezer and prepared.

if you want I will keep for you 3 specimens (back in the freezer ???), 3 will go to Daniele Baiochi and 3 to Francesco Izzillo.

Hope this will help to have a name.

Grazie,
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Re: Chrysididae ? - from Romania

Postby Euchroeus » 29 Jul 2011 18:24

cosmln wrote:also to me the one from the paper is completely different.
the genitalia is extremely small, the smallest I have seen until now in the few chrysididae that I have, so is immpossible for me to take better photos in conditions from here.

here is an illustration I have made after one, through the binocular... I have six males extracted (and another 9 in tubes), all six have the same genitalia.


Yes, I just compared your perfect picture with the genital capsulae of my Italian and Spanish specimens, and your genital capsula looks very different. I cannot exclude that this is a new species!

cosmln wrote: upps, forget to put the date... is 14.may.2011.
just now I have taken the specimens out from the freezer and prepared.
if you want I will keep for you 3 specimens (back in the freezer ???), 3 will go to Daniele Baiochi and 3 to Francesco Izzillo.
Hope this will help to have a name.
Grazie,


If you can send me a couple of these males it would be great. Only the direct examination could confirm this analysis. Please I prefer at least one specimen not prepared (I would like to prepare the internal sternites and tergites as well).

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Re: Chrysididae ? - from Romania

Postby anillus » 30 Jul 2011 01:21

Complimenti per la raccolta Cosmin :beer:
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Re: Chrysididae ? - from Romania

Postby cosmln » 30 Jul 2011 09:52

anillus wrote:Complimenti per la raccolta Cosmin :beer:


Grazie Andrea,

Monday some specimen will go in direction of Paolo and hope to resolve the mystery as soon as possible :)

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Re: Chrysididae ? - from Romania

Postby anillus » 30 Jul 2011 11:12

cosmln wrote:
anillus wrote:Complimenti per la raccolta Cosmin :beer:


Grazie Andrea,

Monday some specimen will go in direction of Paolo and hope to resolve the mystery as soon as possible :)

:D


Attendiamo gli sviluppi con curiosità :ok:
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Re: Pseudospinolia cfr. uniformis Dahlbom, 1845 - Romania

Postby Alex » 05 Sep 2011 00:48

Any news about these beauts?
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Re: Pseudospinolia cfr. uniformis Dahlbom, 1845 - Romania

Postby Euchroeus » 05 Sep 2011 12:54

Hi everyone.

No, I never received the specimens.

I know that Cosmin is going to be merried this months, so probably he didn't have time to send it.

Waiting for his replay ... and return ;)

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Re: Pseudospinolia cfr. uniformis Dahlbom, 1845 - Romania

Postby cosmln » 06 Sep 2011 13:56

Hi to all,

the parcel is prepared but right now I'm in a big problems with money and time too.
not this month but almost, in 2 october is the wedding (http://www.gabriela-si-cosmin.wedsite.com/) and in 28 september i have to present my PhD thesys in department.

I hope this days to receive some money and after that the parcel will leave.
;)
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